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malakrishnanis
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 3:07 am Reply with quoteBack to top

A renowned doctor replying to this post is great. First of all thank you for the inputs.
As u said we need a huge capital. Quality doctors are either abroad or in the metros .. Starting a company that too a profitable one is a good idea but it would take 5 years minimum for a business to become profitable. The only profitable industry we had is the kaccha film that too is no where now.
Which industry can be profitable with the resources (other than manpower) that is available in the Nilgiris?
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ebhari
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 11:41 am Reply with quoteBack to top

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Which industry can be profitable with the resources (other than manpower) that is available in the Nilgiris?


I ask why? Which industry cannot be profitable in the hills? Anything, just about everything can be profitable. What one needs is a clear vision, mission, foresight and ofcourse the capital which is mandatory.

There is no resource greater than human resource. How a management utilises the resources is the crucial factor.

Not many people here would have given a thought about Needle Industries in Yellanalli, Nilgiris which is a pioneer in the art of needle making. Its a very profitable venture although the figures are not disclosed in public being a private limited firm. Pls visit www.ponyneedles.com to know more about it. Its amazing the way they have positioned the brand with marketing offices / agents all over the world. Its almost a monopoly company.

Second is the erstwhile PPI in Sandynallah, taken for a short time by the Tatas ( as Rallis India Ltd) now a part of the Sterling Biotech group. In the midcap segment it is an above par performer (visit http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/stockpricequote/chemicals/sterlingbiotech/23/32/pricechartquote/marketprice/SB11) and a darling of the investors. Pls view http://www.sterlinggelatin.com for details.

HPF is lurking in the dark because of the shortsightedness of the people who were at the helm of affairs. Even today, I reckon if it goes in the hand of people ( whether private or public) with strong fundmentals, its just a matter of time before its destiny is turned around.

The Badaga community has produced some wonderful doctors down the line, over the years. Many of them still practise in the Nilgiris, a touch by them is magical. So, the human resource is definitely available.

All we need is the Money and a few strong minds with a vision & purpose. It might sound strange, but I really can forsee a time when people from Coimbatore would travel to Ooty for healthcare. One cannot buy the best equipments in one spree, it takes time. Pooling the resources is not easy. We have to move one foot at a time. It will ultimately happen. With effective people, nothing is impossible.

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nanjundan
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:58 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Thanks for your valuable insights mr.Hari.We need people with strong persevarence and vision.We all know a dream can make a lot of difference to the lifes of people around .SOS children village association was started back in 1949 by Hermann Geminer in a small village in Austria with little support of his family n friends n today they are present across the globe serv' millions of homelss children.Its all because of the great determination and great vision of a simple person which has transformed into a global orgainzation.We are now in need of people with a combination of social n commercial entrepreneurship to take this mission forward.I belive there are many in our surroundings.

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sudhakar
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:28 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

hi friends

nice to read yr ambitious plans. I wish to share you a small info. with you. How many badaga people are entrepreneurial? do our parents groom that way? why do we lack entrepreneurs, eventhough we are highly intellectual?

But, there is industry callied medical tourism could be very well developed in our place and make more money also. let us hope ....somebody with the entrepreneurial skills will setup such large scale hospital......my dream will come true

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melursenthil
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:45 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Dear All,

This is in reply to Mr. smathan1's positing
the success of a hospital in the nilgiris will largly depend on the services it will provide. it needs to be competitive to the hospitals in coimbatore.This would need a lot of capital. Several crores. next you need to be able to attract quality doctors.trying to do this by contributions from the community can only be a dream. my suggestion is to form a company that is for profit and money be collected and shares in the enterprise be issued. This will attract capital from other communities also in the Nilgiris. having established a for profit organization part of the work of this organization can support the healthcare needs of the economically needy at very nominal costs.

We all agree that building an Hospital would require Crores of Rupees. Yes we can achieve your dreams, by means of our proposed trust. Please be informed that a trust also makes profit and that the main difference between a company and a trust is that the trust cannot pay dividends or share its profits. So, We can start, develop and build our trust in such a way that we will build a hospital. There is another benefit if we start the hospital in the name of our trust. We could get Govt and other funding which may not be possible if it is a company. Let us not commercialise the hospital venture by making it a company whose main purpose of existence is profit... at all costs...

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smathan1
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:08 am Reply with quoteBack to top

dear mr senthil
appericiate your comments.the reality is the badaga community cannot come up with the huge capital needed on a donation basis to a trust.Depending on help from government is wishful thinking.There is nothing wrong in having a for profit organization. look at this way. A good hospital will provide a lot of employment to our community.also affliated bussinesss will florishh. eg: Taxi, hotel,shops etc.The potential for groth is enormus.Think big. A badaga trust at this time,in my view will be able to only generate enough money to fund may be a small clinic that is reality.For example people may give you one lakh rupees as donation to a trust but will invest one crore if it is a bussiness that will provide returns for their investment.I am not of aware of any badaga who will be willing to donate a few crores as charity.I know of no one with that kind of money and even if they do have the money i do not know of any one with that kind of mindset. WE can talk about all the great badaga rich people and their activities in the past but the reality today is that the common badaga is suffering to just afford the bare necessities. It is time we giveup are attitude as estate owners who can afford anything and everything. I believe my generation of badagas lost it by going to colleges in Cbe and Madras, spending money to get a degree and come back to he village and were happy going around with a blanket believing they were the learned sages. Imagine what we could have been if as a community we were running all the bussinesses in NIlgiris big or small. Our people will not be going to Cbe and tirupur to be employed as workers. I was saddened to see a badaga carry my baggage in a hotel in coimbatore.I could not bring myself to give him a tip, i had to give him a gift.My intentions are not to profit from the badaga community but to face reality and setup an enterprise that will succeed. Appericiate all your comments
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melursenthil
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:42 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Dear smathan1,

I appreciate your feelings when you speak about the status of Badagas. I am one of those people who though having born in Niligirs, was brought up entirely outside Tamil Nadu. I was brought up in Karnataka and in fact started speaking our language only after I was married 11 years ago. I do not have any estate or big land holdings, but have now moved into Ooty to start up my own business,. I have been in business and am an entreupruener for the past 10years. I found that there is a lot of opportunitis at Nilgiris which is not being utilised properly.

We have to do something to first ensure that there is financial growth and economic activity in this place. Please note that the revenues for our district right now is only from Tea and Tourism. As far as the revenue from Tourism is concerned, it has not benifited our community people much, since we did not have many people entering business.

Yes, I agree that our money was spent on education, health and purchases at Coimbatore rather than being spent locally. In addition to this we have lost a lot of money on liquor and due to our laziness since Tea had given us some economic security in the past. Now we have to learn the lesssons from our grandparents generation which was hardworking and have to switch over to alternate crops like floriculture, Dairy, Organic farming etc. Our district is under the agriculture export zone and if we can concentrate on these activites, we will be able to regain our strengths.

As regards to the Government support, the Govt is doing a lot to our place, but unfortunately it is going into the drains. Please note that many of the trusts and social services organisations in our place belong either to the Christian community or to other people who have come to Nilgiris and then grown here. If we can tap that funds, and do honest and sincere work, we will be able to get the kind of funding.

For example, to establish a International Rose centre at Ooty, the Govt is pumping about 3.6 crores this year alone. Like wise under HADP, there are more than 300 Crs being pumped into Nilgiris. It is only if we have the right organisation, that we can get those funds and utilize it for the betterment of our society. So, I strongly feel that it is better to form a trust and try and build an hospital or education institute etc.,

As regards private company setup, It may not be economically viable to establish a huge hospital to cater to the needs of only the local people.

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Senthil

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ebhari
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:03 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Dear Friends,

I wish to put my thoughts here.

Whether it is a trust, a firm or a company, seed capital is imperative for a project of such scale. Going by ground realities, accumulating this capital, developing an action plan and good project management skills are the primary requirements. The major challenge will be the long-term sustainability of such a project and the benefits it will endow on the target population.

To make people fund a project requires objective proposals and genuine lobbying. It calls for a concrete feasibility report, action plan, cost-benefit analysis, value to the general public and investors. Even then, it is no guarantee that people will fund at the initial stages of a project. Many conservative investors want to see sizeable development before a decision is taken.

Few years ago a group of prominent doctors under the name Nilgiri Hospitals Trust put in a similar proposal and funding was mobilized from individuals with a good net worth. Couple of my sisters who are Senior Nurses with Aramco Oil Company in Saudi Arabia did donate a considerable sum of money for the noble proposal. Years passed and the initiative became redundant. There are no traces of the trust now.

What I would like to put forward here is the fundamental requirements to convert a beautiful dream like this to reality. I have summarized a few points in a nutshell which came to my mind.

1) Develop a Vision and Mission.
2) Formulate a Project proposal, what we want to have, where to have, the cost-benefit ratio, target population, long term sustainability and growth.
3) The proposal should arrive at the monetary figures as to what is required not only for the project but also the working capital requirements for atleast 3 years once complete (assuming 3 years will be the break-even point, it may be more or less).
4) Once the monetary figures are in place one needs to look at the sources of funds. If the figures could be accumulated within the existing and probable members / donators, well and good. If it exceeds the budgeted requirements, then we can look at issuing shares. If forming a company is required, then investors should be kept intimated on long-term objectives and the returns their capital will yield. This is a vital requirement since people generally oblige at proposals, but when it comes to putting the money physically they need reassurance.
5) The third step will be locating the right people to carry out this task, liaisoning with government bodies, taking necessary approvals, engineers for construction, project heads and very importantly consultant doctors who can give crucial inputs in setting up the Hospital.
6) Meanwhile, decision has to be taken on what are the departments (Pediatrics, Ortho, Cardio etc.,) the hospital will have initially as well as its scalability in the long run. Simultaneously the process of locating the doctors who specialize in those areas must take place.
7) Locating the most suitable place/town that will give maximum benefits in terms of accessibility to people from villages, procurement of land are other serious issues to be taken care of.

There is a lot more homework to be done than what apparently seems to be. This is no Child’s play.

So, in my opinion, if a feasibility report could be developed at the earliest, we can have a series of discussions / meetings and move to the next step. Personally, I can donate a decent sum and also try bringing in a few corporate investors wherever possible.

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ebhari
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:07 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Dear smathan1,

I wish I could address you by name instead of the username. Hope something would be done on it in the nearest future by the admin.

I agree when you say it is painful seeing a Badaga doing unskilled work. Yes, it did bleed inside me in the past. Not these days, definitely. When people move places, they learn a lot. It brings in them a sense a reason and purpose. Today, it is a TRANSITIONARY PHASE for our Community. I mean a PSYCHOLOGICAL TRANSITION FUELLED BY ECONOMIC DEPRIVATION TO SOME EXTENT. MANY PEOPLE MOVE BY CHOICE TOO. The results of this transition could only be positive. People become more aware, enlightened and fearless. Its survival of the fittest in true sense. In my prediction, what is happening is an economical migration similar to what our ancestors must have done in the past. But, unlike our ancestors this situation looks reversible. After all, man is a social animal. He moves to pastures which he finds works to his advantage.

The point here is to ensure that they do not forget the roots where they belong to. Going by the trend I see at our major festivals and other important occasions, Iam upbeat about it.

I would like to have your thoughts on this.

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melursenthil
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:59 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Dear Hariharan,

I agree with your views completely. Each and every point suggested my you are very important and relevant.

We need to plan to build up an hospital. We can first start the trust for which not much of a money is needed and then simultaneously start the work of preparing the project report.

The trust will give us an identity to start working on the project.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 2:17 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

glad to be part of this discussion and to know the immense interest you all have on this theme.

providing health care and other infrastructure is the responsibility and the duty of the state government machinery. now the 'political' in coordination with the 'executive' should execute its plans... for which we have voted them (whichever party... there is no use of mud slinging... it is only waste of our time) in. But without the goodwill and the cooperation of the local community leaders, they (pol. and exe.) cannot get anything through. it is here where we need to have our 'strong' leaders with a vision and commitment to help the executive and the political machineries to do their job... or in some cases make them to do their job.
now my suggestion is that we should identify and support our 'strongleaders' who know what they are doing and who can take decisions.

can we further think on these lines and try to ask our SL to join in this discussion?

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smathan1
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:00 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I believe one of our Doctors has started a hospital in ooty to serve the community. I am unaware of the details. believe it is in ooty at the old Ooty gate. wish them well. and hope we can focus our efforts through him.
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